firearms, then the government could force them to sell those guns back to the government. >> let's talk about the proposals -- fair enough. let's talk about what's been proposed by the president. starting with universal background checks. why would it not be in the interest of the nra, again, which represents law-abiding gun owners to have more background checks so guns don't fall into the hands of criminals or people with mental problems, which makes law-abiding gun owners look bad? >> as you know, savannah, the nra is a long-term supporter of the background system of people who go to gun shops and buy firearms. back the last time we had this dispute, you will recall that a lot of the rhetoric surround what the government likes to call the gun show loophole. which means that if you and i go to a gun show and sell one another a gun, since neither one of us are dealers, a private transaction, doesn't have to go through the system. not a lot of guns are sold that way, but we suggested that the government, if they wanted to, could have a booth at a gun show, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco,